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John Shufeldt:
Hello everybody and welcome to another edition of Entrepreneur Rx, where we help health care professionals own their future.

John Shufeldt:
This week, I'm happy to welcome Dr. Sharon McLaughlin, who's a founder of the Female Physician Entrepreneurs and Sharon Mack Wellness. Sharon, really great to have you, you are a multidisciplinary entrepreneur, so welcome to the show.

Sharon McLaughlin:
Thank you so much for having me. I have to say that I really appreciate when physicians step out of the box and do multiple things such as you're doing, so, thank you for getting the voice out there and amplifying other physicians.

John Shufeldt:
Thank you. Well, and you were just talking about being out of the box. How did you? Well, let's go back a little bit. How did you start your career in health care? You're a board-certified plastic surgeon. So walk us through that.

Sharon McLaughlin:
Straight through, you know, always an overachiever I think, went to college, finished biochem in three and a half years, worked the weekends to pay for college. Always was like in a rat race before. It was, medicine was even a rat race. It was just, I guess, what this type of stress that I bring on on myself. So it wasn't a surprise, went to medical school, decided to do surgery, and then plastic surgery, and about 10 years then I felt like I was getting really burnt out. I had since met my husband and I had a child, and that balancing act, I found very hard and I felt like I wasn't a good physician, I felt like I wasn't a good wife, and I definitely felt like I wasn't a good mom. So it really had me thinking, like, what is it like? What can I do? What can I give up? What can change? You know, we definitely had some marriage issues and, you know, a lot of deep thinking, do I want to keep this marriage going? Not, definitely don't want to give up my daughter. So I knew that the practice, I thought the practice would be the easiest thing to change. So I ended up doing... Going into utilization management and then keeping a plastic surgery business on the side really just limited to injectables. I wanted to get rid of that E.R. call and that kind of like, you know, let's meet me in the E.R., my child has a laceration, that type of like kind of more 9 to 5, if that was ever possible. And I will honestly tell you that when I was training so many people, I told me, don't go into surgery you're a woman, and I really took offense to that at the time. But looking back for me, not all women, for me, it would have been better had I thought about other careers. So I'm sorry that I didn't think about that at the time. As far as my entrepreneurship journey, so many different things when I was in plastic surgery, I thought about multiple streams of income, so I started with skincare, right, you know, to my patients. They liked it so much, they wanted it delivered. That was mostly private label, and then I ended up manufacturing a line on my own. I had cancer when I was younger, so I had a hard time finding lingerie that look good on me, you know, after mastectomies. So I decided to design a lingerie line. I didn't have any experience at all. I didn't do design school. But I'm telling you, if and when you want something, it's there. You just have to google it. You have to network. So we, we're in Long Island, not too far from New York City, so I was able to go in there, the fashion district was there. They have, you know, people willing to help you in the community. And the bottom line is there's always places to network. You just have to start increasing, widening your circle. When people say to me, how do I get started? Just plan it out, think about what you really like to do. So as far as my job goes, I'm doing utilization management now did that for a few years now. I wanted to do entrepreneurship. I never let go of that. So I started the Facebook group Female Physician Entrepreneurs, and it's been going maybe about four years now. It's growing. I like it. It's a great way to network, again. And I always strongly encourage collaboration because I think that's the best way you can go at your own pace, but you will go further if your network and you're working together and you really, you know, as physicians, we're good at talking and we're good at speaking, and we certainly know how to talk amongst ourselves. You know, we consult with colleagues all the time, so reach out, do that. It's definitely going to move you along faster. So what I'm doing.

John Shufeldt:
How many? How many female entrepreneurs, physician entrepreneurs do you have in your Facebook group now?

Sharon McLaughlin:
Over seven thousand.

John Shufeldt:
Holy cow! That's amazing. And you started that just four years ago.

Sharon McLaughlin:
Yeah, it's been. I tell you, if people ask me about it, we could go off on so many tangents here, as far as starting a Facebook group, to this day, I still believe that of all the platforms out there because I'm on all of them. I still believe it's the one that has the best community when it comes to a group. So if you're looking to build a community, I strongly encourage doing a Facebook group and people say, well, how do you, you know, without going in and spamming the other groups like Follow Me in my group. Really, if you just add value, even four years ago, I can tell you, I post it every day and I'm like crickets, when nobody responded, where, there were no likes, there were no comments, it felt uncomfortable. It really did. And still, to this day, I will post and it doesn't get a lot of, you know, engagement. It's really a testing, is the bottom line. But if you take that community and you don't make it about yourself, if you make it about the community, it will grow because people like to feel included. They want to learn something, they want to grow, they want a network, they want to collaborate, there's got to be some value add that you're doing. It can just be like me, me, me, you know? Yes, it's my group. But posting about my group, it's never going to work that way. And I think that's a problem, and I think, people want this overnight. You know, as physicians, we want things right, we're go-getters. But it doesn't happen overnight, I can tell you that group didn't grow overnight. It was months and a lot of me reaching out to people, you know, asking, do you want to join, do you have friends that want to join? Never really did any Facebook ads for that. I've tried Facebook ads with other things, but not so much with the group. But really, it's just word of mouth. So I have the group, doing wellness, and I'm a big fan of digital entrepreneurship. I really believe that digital marketing is great. It's like that laptop life. I believe that if you're not online, it's a real problem. So I really encourage everyone to have a website, to do, definitely collect emails. Email collection is not dead. I just did a post today in my group. Email collection is not dead. Everyone needs to collect emails somehow. And you may not know exactly what you want to do, but you have to start building that network. And you know, I've been on platforms, I close after I have built a following, you can have accounts closed. I know people that have lost their Facebook accounts, YouTube accounts, so be careful with social media. Yes, it's really important to do and build a following, but make sure you have their email list. So I know we're touching a lot of different things, but so one of the things I'm doing now is working with Dr. Corriel, we're doing with SoMeDocs course creation and there are hosting it on SoMeDocs platform. So we're doing that. And I just, in general, like to, I'm very creative, so I love to build websites. I like building courses, again it's about amplifying physician voices. And even today I was on the phone with somebody. I'm doing a Zoom call. She wasn't a physician, but she needed help. She's opening up a business and with the digital background that I have, I'm able to help her. You know, she wants to do like flyers and walk around to cars, and I'm like, no, forget that you will scale much quicker if you just get the digital marketing up and going. Not to say there's not a place for one-on-one networking. I believe it's always going to be more personable if you're able to do it. You know, with COVID, we slowed down for a little bit, we were resuming and then the numbers were going higher again, unfortunately.

John Shufeldt:
Yeah, they definitely are, though it seems like a real mind flip, your manage care utilization sounds, kind of boring, I'll just throw that out, there.

Sharon McLaughlin:
Oh, please!

John Shufeldt:
Does not seem like the purview of plastic surgeon, and now in your entrepreneur, those two things, almost those three things almost, plastic surgery, entrepreneurs, I totally get. Manage care utilization? Did that just happened to be the right place at the right time and it pays the bills?

Sharon McLaughlin:
It pays the...

John Shufeldt:
You have found really sunk your teeth into it because you really believe in it?

Sharon McLaughlin:
No, it came along at the right time. I was asked, when I was doing plastic surgery, when I had my child, I was asked to do quality assurance for the hospital and I tell the story. But I remember, like, actually, I ran into the CMO, who is such a nice guy, in the hallway of the hospital, and he asked me to do this and I couldn't say no. But honestly, I walked away and I had tears in my eyes. I was like, how am I going to put one more thing on my plate? But anyway, I started doing it and actually kind of liked it, then I started doing independent reviews and I built up a consulting business that did actually pretty good with that. And then I had a friend that was involved in a Medicaid plan, and she said, what about, you know, coming over and helping us out here? And I took a full-time job and I agree there's a lot of bureaucracy. It's corporations, there's a lot of like, you know, performance and you name it. You know, the bottom line is I do have anxiety? And that for me with being an entrepreneur, I don't do well when it's up and down, and I really like to know that this is my bread and butter and that job will be there and I do enjoy it, and I enjoy the people that I work with, so that's a huge plus. And it gives me ample time, like on my weekends, to do things like this in the evenings, to network with people, to help people like build their websites, to help with email marketing, to help with courses. And it gives me time to exercise and actually take care of myself, where I didn't have that when I was doing plastic surgery. You know, people think plastic surgery, oh, it's all cosmetic. I never wanted a cosmetic practice, so I did a lot of reconstruction and a lot of E.R. call.

John Shufeldt:
Wow. So you did the five plus two or three or did you do straight plastic surgery?

Sharon McLaughlin:
I did five plus two.

John Shufeldt:
Wow. So you did the old-school version of plastic surgery.

Sharon McLaughlin:
Yeah.

John Shufeldt:
Wow. So did you ever think going through pre-med and medical school that you'd be where you are today?

Sharon McLaughlin:
I knew that even back then, I would say to myself, I was always interested in entrepreneurship. There was a medical student who was doing different things, and I love talking to him because he thought out of the box. It wasn't like the straight, for me. I don't consider myself a naturally smart person. I had to study, study, study, like people would probably study half as much and do just as well. But that was like my brief. Talking to him because he was full of ideas and he wanted to try this and he wanted to try that. So I think back then I knew that I wanted to do something outside of medicine. I just wasn't sure what. So I've always kind of kept my mind open to different things and to this day, like, I still love those podcasts, where we talk about entrepreneurships ... entrepreneur and just doing something entrepreneurial, like thinking outside of the box and letting your mind, there's so many, so many different ways to help people. It may not be in the exam room per se, there's lots of things that we can do with our backgrounds.

John Shufeldt:
Do you see COVID actually increasing the desire for physicians to be entrepreneur, entrepreneurial?

Sharon McLaughlin:
I think it was coming even before COVID, truthfully. That's what I saw in my Facebook group. I saw a lot of physician burnout, right? And seeing that before, I definitely can speak for myself. I experienced burnout, so I think it was coming before COVID, but I think COVID just made it that much worse. It probably expedited all these people who were thinking, you know, these physicians thinking, I'll do it another 10 years, I'm in it for another 10 years, another 15 years. I think it shorten their span of, you know, what they saw for themselves long term.

John Shufeldt:
Yeah, I agree. I've seen a lot more physicians, the EM physicians in particular, because that's the group I know the best, who I think before I thought, you know, hey, we're in a recession-proof business, but COVID cause a lot of them to be on and underemployed. And so all of a sudden they had this, you know? Oh, oh, now what do I do? And now that's really picked up this entrepreneurial curve here for a lot of people. Although you started way before that, but it sounds like it picked up for you as well, or at least the people reaching out to you and joining your Facebook group.

Sharon McLaughlin:
Absolutely. Yeah, I would agree with that too. Definitely.

John Shufeldt:
So, what do you tell entrepreneurs, physician entrepreneurs now about getting started? Is it just one step before the other and you're off to the races? Or what advice do you give them?

Sharon McLaughlin:
There is no direct line. There's no path. What works for me may not work for you and vice versa. It really depends on personality and networking, what you really want to do, what you're passionate about. Yes, it can pay the bills doing something totally different. But if your heart's not in it, don't do it. You know, think about the ways that you can use your skills and what you like to do, and believe me, it will come. It may be writing, it may be speaking, it may be doing a course, it may be doing consulting work. There's so many things that we can do as physicians, and I really do think the sky is the limit and I wouldn't get hung up on physicians are a good at business because you're a prime example of physicians being really good at business. You know, there's a few physicians that I know, more so than I know the not, if physicians feel like they're not good in business, it's more a lack of esteem or self-confidence. It's there, trust me.

John Shufeldt:
Well, I agree with that, I don't, I think it's a lot of, it's a lot of self-confidence. You know, you're a biochem major, I was a sociology major. I was, you know, do you want fries with your coke major? And but none of us have business training. And so I think a lot of physicians, you know, the ones I see a lot of, mostly men say, oh, I don't need that business course, I did, you know, I did great organic chemistry. How hard can this be? And, you know, actually business' kind of hard, and you can get taken advantage of and it's not that easy. I think some people move into it very naturally and learn as they go, obviously like you did and we're very successful at it. I think mine is a lot of years, a lot of gray hair and a lot of school for me to bat with you.

Sharon McLaughlin:
You know, this is what I think about that. I think for some, as physicians we're always into the certification, that's what differentiates it from other people, right? So then we think everything we do has to have this certification. If I'm a life coach, I got to be like the best life coach, the most expensive one there is, and I may have to have that MBA if I want to do business, and I agree with that to some degree, right? But then if you think about it, look at all the people like if you ever listen to outside of medicine, like something like how I built this.

John Shufeldt:
...

Sharon McLaughlin:
Or masters of scale. They don't have MBAs. They're out there. They're doing their businesses. Yes, some of it is a lot. Lot of it is just trying different things. They don't have MBAs, but they all pretty much have something in common. They all reached out to other people for help.

John Shufeldt:
Right. And they all have grit. So are you? Were you born ready? Did you develop grit? Because you clearly have it.

Sharon McLaughlin:
I have to. You know, I've often thought about this. I'd like to think that we can teach grit. I'm not sure, John, I'm really not sure. I'd like to think that we can teach it. I'm not sure, but I believe that I was born with it because I look back in my life, I was always like, like I said, I'm not the smartest. I was never the smartest. Never. People say, you know, from high school, I can't believe you got into medical school. When I put my mind to it and I did all those hours, I believe that anybody could have done it. I personally think to some degree, I probably have dyslexia. My grammar's awful, my spelling was awful. You can push through these things and you'll always come out winning if you're just persistent. And I see it in my daughter, too. You know, from the time she was little and ice skating, you know, 20 degree weather, just getting up, falling down, getting up, falling down. And that's what made me think. I think we're born with it, actually.

John Shufeldt:
Yeah.

Sharon McLaughlin:
I don't know.

John Shufeldt:
When did you, when did year general surgery residency? What year?

Sharon McLaughlin:
It would have been. Let me think about this. '85 to '89 was Stony Brook, and then from '89 to '93 was general surgery. I know that's not right. '89 to '93 was medical school and then '93 to '98 was general surgery, '98 to 2000 was plastic surgery.

John Shufeldt:
I mean, I have few years on you. But how many women were in your general surgery program?

Sharon McLaughlin:
There's very little.

John Shufeldt:
Yeah, so that was my point. I mean, I think just I mean, general surgery. It's not like we're going to be teaching ..., see the general surgeons, and now the 50 percent of them are more our women and I mean, you've got to be, it is, it is a tough residency. I mean, EM was, I had a blast. You know, we, we worked with general surgeons, it's a tough residency and I don't think it was kind to women. Now, maybe it was better when you did it, but when I was when in medical school residency, yeah, they were rough on women. I think rougher than on the men. You had to be gritty to go through that. And so coming out of there, I would think I can do anything. I mean, I survived these five idiots for five years. I can do anything.

Sharon McLaughlin:
To some degree, I think it depends on our personality. I think I have imposter syndrome. I had it back then. You know, when people questioning me and, you know, speaking so hard and like that whip out and stuff like that. So it definitely brings feelings back of like imposter syndrome. Like, maybe I'm really not as good because they're saying I'm not as good. So I, you know, we think about imposter syndrome, it happens more so in females and males, but I still have it no matter what. But I do believe that if you're persistent and you come from the heart, like, I believe that's really important. I'm very much into honesty and integrity. That's always going to be important to me. You'll do fine and I believe that sincerely. You know, there's ... people out there willing to help. Like, if somebody called you, why don't you help them? Like, that's your personality, John. Just by talking to you.

John Shufeldt:
Yeah, totally. But it's funny about imposter syndrome, and I agree women have it more than men do, but it's funny, so what I don't think you want to stand is, even though you did, you know, plastic surgery, general surgery, medical school, even women as successful, even people as successful as you and imposter syndrome. And it's, I don't think people understand that.

Sharon McLaughlin:
It's alive and true. So many of us, I see it in my group. I would never want to like, go into personal things with other people, but it's definitely in my group. It's a common theme in my group.

John Shufeldt:
And they're all women physicians?

Sharon McLaughlin:
Correct. Yes.

John Shufeldt:
Right, interesting. How do you think you ever get past that or do you?

Sharon McLaughlin:
I think it gets better, I think networking helps. I think maybe mentoring, coaching can help. I do, and just being surrounded by positive people that are going to uplift you and not tear you down.

John Shufeldt:
You think that's possible in medicine these days? Let me phrase it differently. So there's a book called The Confidence Code, have you read that book?

Sharon McLaughlin:
I have not.

John Shufeldt:
So it's like Claire Shipman and Cathy Kelley, and it's for women and I read it. But what struck me in this book was they interviewed the most high-powered women in the world, and to a person, they all had imposter syndrome, every, every one of them. And it's just it seemed so ironic to me. You know, again, I'm a guy and I'm, you know, six-four and I have gray hair, I walk into the patient's room, no one confuses me for anything but a nurse, actually, one person that recently said, when am I to talk to the doctor? After a zillion years, and if I said, oh my God, thank you, no one's ever said that to me. Finally, I get it. But you know, for women in medicine, it's always, you know, when's the doctor coming? Like, dude, I just did a rectal on you. You know, who do you think I am? I'm the physician. It's got to get old. But then you read this book and you're like, this is spans generations and continents and professions, and it's totally ridiculous. But it's here it is.

Sharon McLaughlin:
I think you have to think, I pick my battles and so we can focus in on so many things, right? Like we talk about like that life coaching model, like what type of thought do we have? I don't care if I get called the nurse. I know I'm a physician, so that doesn't bother me. Maybe in the past it used to bother me. Sometimes I'll speak up and say something. If somebody you know, calls somebody's doctor and then me by my first name, but at heart, it truly doesn't bother me anymore. It doesn't because I feel comfortable in my skin. Other things I can, I can't think of anything off the top of my head, I think as we get older too other things seem to bother us less, right? We really put things in perspective.

John Shufeldt:
You think being a physician today almost requires a certain degree of entrepreneurism to cover your bases, to give you and give you an out when you need it?

Sharon McLaughlin:
Absolutely, John. I do. I believe in multiple streams of income. You don't have to have it, but you should certainly be aware of it. I'll tell you, even my daughter, she's 18. I told her to start investing. Like, if you start investing now, do you imagine what's going to happen by the time you're 30, 40, 50? You know that whole thing about retiring early? I don't know what she's going to do. She's thinking premed. Well, it's great to have options, it is, right? We all need options. So to get back to your question, yes, I believe that it's really important to be entrepreneurial. I believe as physicians, certainly COVID, we saw this, you know, we never thought that we'd be losing jobs. Then you have the mid-levels coming into which is, you know, competition with some jobs, primary care and other fields as well. There's a lot of things that physicians are going through, and I think it's imperative that we keep up with education, diversifying ourselves and really networking.

John Shufeldt:
You know, it's funny. It's right, you and I are very much alike in, I say this all the time to everybody, but the physician in particular, you have to have multiple streams of income because we were all so just in this box of medicine that if that box fails for some reason, I mean, you know, ... now what do I do? I mean, you know, I know, I know no other field and, like you pointed out perfectly. Actually, there's a lot of stuff we can do with our background and education and training and grit. So that's what I try to make sure physicians understand. But a lot of them are so stuck in this head. It's don't they know how to do it, what, if something fails, I'm kind of sunk. It's interesting.

Sharon McLaughlin:
I would say invest too, right, one of the things that I'm doing, I don't know as far as you're investing, but I believe that if you have extra money or, you know, if you're making it, I hate to say decent money, but I believe no matter where you are, if your school loans are paid off or not, and some people would argue that as well, start investing because that's going to help as well. It may go down the market, but it's so it's going to come back up and the same thing with real estate. Just there are a lot of opportunities out there. Start investing.

John Shufeldt:
Yeah, I so, I agree, and it's funny, I don't tell people that, but I, but I've been doing it for years, have the same perspective. You know, it's that dollar-cost averaging. You're putting some money in every week, every month, and it will, you know, it goes up, over time, you know, the S&P five hundred, the Dow Jones, it goes up. And if you can weather those downturns, great, but that's sage advice. Were you always like this? Because I have to tell you, it's kind of rare to, it's just kind of a rare sort of perspective for physicians, candidly, which is why we're talking obviously.

Sharon McLaughlin:
OK, in all honesty, with the entrepreneurial, yes, absolutely. With investing, no, I'm very conservative. I would go to Las Vegas and spend $5 on the slot machines. I'm and I don't consider myself frugally. I have no problem giving a 40 percent tip if we're out to dinner, donations, online, at a grocery store and pay for somebody if I think they're having a hard time in front of me, you know that I have no problem with, but I can tell you that I had extra money, a couple hundred thousand and I just left it in the bank like I had no interest. I was just too afraid to do anything with it, and I would watch that market. I was like at an all-time high. It was like, it's just going to go down, it's just going to go down. It never went down, it just kept going up. Meanwhile, my husband probably made, I don't know, he made serious like bank this past year with the stock market, and I wish I had done that, and now I'm just like, you know, enough is enough. And now he's like, no, now you're jumping too much. And I'm like, let's just see what happens, OK? Because I'm going to continue working. And that's how I get into the real estate syndication because it's truly passive. And I need that right now. I'm not so sure that I could be a landlord. I don't think so.

John Shufeldt:
So what advice do you have for physicians who, who are getting burned out and there, I think that's an all-time, you know, they call it moral injury, and I once I read the definition of it, I totally get it and buy in. What advice do you have for them?

Sharon McLaughlin:
Yeah, definitely invest. All right. Definitely think about joining Facebook groups, network I know I keep saying that, but you can't do this alone, and everyone's path to burnout is different. Everyone's escape from burnout, how they got out of burnout is going to be different. But I'm telling you there's so many people that have been down in the path already that if you just reach out to people, it's going to be easier. There are so many different groups that are available, whether it's investing, whether it's doing courses, so these are the things I'm most familiar with. There are so many things that you can do. There's so much, there's free, so much, you know, that we have online that you can attend to. There's an investing one coming up. Just get in and start doing and take notes and think about what interests you. Like if you had time, what websites do you go to? What books do you read? Think about what you truly like to do in your spare time. There's physicians that are now doing yoga instruction like there's all different things. They're doing coaching, that's a big thing, they're doing consulting work. It really is, the sky's the limit, but it has to be what you're interested in.

John Shufeldt:
Yeah, I totally agree. I mean, for me, being entrepreneurial was a hedge against burnout. So I mean, I was in the ED until 10:00 last night, and there are some days where I'm like, oh my god, just shoot me. But, but I still look forward to practicing medicine. I mean, I think I've done enough other things that I still get excited about it, that it's not drudgery, that it's not like, it's not. I mean, there's years that I did only emergency medicine, but that's not true. The .... is I do a lot of emergency medicine, but it never felt like someone was holding a gun to my head that I had to do it. And I think that for me really staved off burnout because there was a lot of months I'd worked 20 to 25, 12-hour shifts a month, which now I would never do. But at the time it was just what I had to do to make ends meet for different businesses, so.

Sharon McLaughlin:
John, I was looking at your prior episodes. Did you ever do one on yourself? Your story?

John Shufeldt:
No, I haven't.

Sharon McLaughlin:
I haven't.

John Shufeldt:
So I wrote, I've written some books and I'm always a bad example in my book, so I was like, hey, here's how I screwed up, you don't want to do that. So I've been on some podcasts, and the books are my attempt to bear my soul of all of the mistakes I've made, and most of them are humorous and entertaining, but so, yeah, that's might get it off the chest moment.

Sharon McLaughlin:
I believe if you have multiple streams of income or if you're getting income from somewhere else, you're going to enjoy medicine that much more. It just is. It's not like you have to do it. And we all love medicine, it's why we've dedicated so much of our time. If you went straight through, you gave up your twenties or whatever it is, if you didn't go straight through, if you took some time off, you gave up a chunk of your life to get where you are now. So, you know, don't give up on that, but just know that you may have to do some other things. The path is going to look a little bit different than perhaps you had planned out, and that's OK.

John Shufeldt:
Yeah, I mean, that's probably the best part of advice I've heard. OK, so last question. Where are we going to find you post-pandemic? Is anything going to change for you?

Sharon McLaughlin:
I think I'm going to do exactly what I'm doing now. I like to build up that group. I want to help other people. I think it's extremely important that people are business savvy. So I'm going to post more in the group about that and build up courses and build up websites for people because I believe in digital marketing. I enjoy that. That's probably my favorite thing to do because I believe in that laptop life and you can be a physician on your spare time, you could work a business by a laptop, through a laptop without actually being like an a brick and mortar, and that's something that most medicine wants to do and telemedicine doesn't offer. So.

John Shufeldt:
Totally, totally agree with you. Well, Sharon, thank you so much. It has been a real pleasure to chat with you. You can find Dr. McLaughlin at SMcLaughlinFMDFACS@yahoo.com, is her email address and find out more about her at SharonMackMD.com and SharonMackWellness dot com. And you can join Physician Entrepreneurs Facebook group, on Instagram she's @SharonMackMD, and on LinkedIn, she's at Sharon McLaughlin, MD. Did I get all that right?

Sharon McLaughlin:
It's perfect. Thank you so much for today.

John Shufeldt:
Sharon. Thank you so much. It's been a real pleasure.

Sharon McLaughlin:
Thanks so much. Take care. Bye bye.

John Shufeldt:
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